It's Over

Yes, still ubi will never work, hiperinflation Will kill that stupid idea in a few years maximum. And if you don't own a house, you are basically fucked with UBI, no government restrictions and no taxes are the only way to make it work

Once white and blue collar work start going in the near term future it's that or the end of civilization as we know it.

>UBI in a capitalist hellscape
Kek. For the 1%, if you're soon not imprisoned for being homeless and exploited for slave labour then you're better off dying from starvation.

UBI is retarded, and will never happen

>I didn't kill for my country, I keelled for myself...

Real creatives will keep on creating regardless, it's who we are. Even come the not so distant day when the machines are running circles around me there's things I will still make for the sake of making alone.

Sure hope UBI is here soon tho so I can eat while I'm at it.

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We're building a successor species that will do all that, but our platform/hardware is gonna transition into obsolescence as it's just too limited.

Humans will prob be around for quite sometime but naturals will be relegated to increasingly more zoo like conditions.
Doubt the synthetics are gonna genocide us as we're a rare commodity being the only naturally evolved species in the known universe.
We'll likely be treated humanly but we will disarmed and controlled.

Thing is everything the machines need is out there in vast abundance and the machines don't need synergy with an earth-like environment that host them to thrive as they can
just engineer their bodies to fit any conditions. Earth will prob be transformed into a sort of global wildlife reserve where we're kept in check and limited in our impact same
way we attempt to manage ecosystems only they will actually be able to do it as they can keep enough parameters in mind to actually manage complex systems like that successfully.

But even here on old Terra engineered humans that has a lot of the shortcomings we inherit from nature patched out is gonna be at the apex of what we are.

This is likely not a development we'll live to see within our lifespan, our time here will cover just the dawn of this transitional era.
In our time the internet was growing into the nervous system of a global super organism, slowly awakening as we grew increasingly aware how we where already a part of it.

>The ""ai"" right now does nothing but remix preexisting images and requires incredible amounts of computing power to do so.

That's not how this work anon, if that was the case nobody would be shitting bricks over what's going on.
Dissecting how the image generators work has revealed how they constructed the image space reasoning about depth and that 3D spatial understanding
have emerged within them with no explicit training for it just feeding it 2D images. They are alarmingly capable and malleable.

The computing power needed to train them is coming down all the time and the compute needed to run them is not much, you can run these things locally on your machine.
They are unfortunately cost effective in the extreme, what we pay thousands of dollars for a human to do these things can do for cents.
It actually does appear more and more plausible that actual AGI is on the near-term horizon with ASI being here maybe as soon as the early 30s.
We'll understand better how that scales once GPT5 goes public, there is lot of speculation atm and nobody outside openai labs know for sure what to base that speculations on.
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You just have a lot of catch up reading to do if you think the state of the field is what you describe.

Your 'mouse brain' analogy doesn't matter much, we thought there was no way these sort of functionality could emerge before the network complexity rivaled our brain.
But now we live in a world where a 45 gigabyte neural network manages to pass university exams and we now know we where wrong that we needed that level.

Things that eclipse most of humanity on general reasoning tasks already run on hardware less complex than a mouses brain today.
We live under a new paradigm, our intuition for what network complexity is needed for X no longer holds true.

yup. If you actually believe that the governments of the world will allow you to do fully automated ai 2d to 3d text to ai conversions into full video of whatever you want including people that you actually know and just have a snapshot of, say a handful of pics scraped from facebook profile and linkedin and or celebrities and other famous people you are beyond delusional

the government in this country allows piracy due to not setting stricter rules and surveillance my friend.

the situation around piracy and its surveillance and punishments are very very very lax right now in this country. It could be a lot tougher. The punishments could be a lot more severe. If the internet gets destroyed by video ai expect to see big changes in what you can and cannot do.

you will get found out

two more weeks

I'm trembling lol
Let me ask you this tho: What exactly do you get out of this? You seem very bent on proving people here that ai WILL replace them. Ok and what's in it for you in all this? Because you'll not take their job by being a proompter and most likely ai it'll take your job too eventually(that assuming you actually do work).
So what do you get from all this proselytizing here? Do you just do it for free like a janny or what?

take meds schizo I absolutely never post here, ever.
let me guess, I'm cris?

This. Many AI subtractors get so focused on what it means for us artist that they get super hung up on how OpenAI trained them
by using the public internet, without asking anyone for permission to use the public internet.

They think these models stores a huge corpus of images and copy paste from that library, but that's not at all what's happening.
The tiny networks that can generate ~anything, are just few gigabyte in size. They can be that small and do what they do because
they don't store any images. Rather they're made up of neural pathways that have learned how to construct things in the image space
representative of the sort of thing requested.

The real threat is that such technology now exist at all, not that they could scrape data and make a art generator.
With Sora we now face a machine visual cortex advanced enough to view any footage at all and start self-labeling what's present in that footage.
So you no longer need any scraped pre-labled data from the internet to help bootstrap it.

So even if you outlaw using person X's art in the training set we're facing systems that given a single example of person X's art will be able to
construct infinite amounts of similar looking art because it actually understands what it sees and is able to re-construct that image space from scratch.

But that's not even the problem, the problem is how it now understands what it's looking at and what affordances of actions are available in a scene.
This is a major stepping stone towards a 'do anything machine' that can perform any task and not just art.
Given this development replacing blue collar work across the board is something that's now a realistic near-term goal by refining already existing technology.

>This whole AI thing is already on a steep decline

Anon I'm super curious as to what metric you measure to arrive at this statement.
It's like we're measuring wind-speeds and I'm watching you walk out the door almost having it ripped off the hinges and struggling to stay upright you
wade out into the gale force winds that howling all around us. There are tornado stream sucking up buildings in the distance.
I see you lick your finger and stick it up in the air and go "ANON, I THINK THE WIND HAS SUBSIDED!"

Like what the fuck bro? How is this possibly your take away.

What bothers me with you anti-AI types is not that you are against what's happening, that is a totally valid and legitimate response to me.
What bother me is the prevalence of this ostrich mentality in how you keep pretending like nothing is even there to begin with.

It's like this is some monster underneath your bed you seem to expect will go away if you just pretend it isn't real.

What am I shilling anon? Every post I have crafted here is designed to explain how this technology actually works
in order to help clue people in as to what this is we're actually faced with.

Personally I'm deeply ambivalent over this technology as I see a lot of pro's and a lot of cons to what it means for
all of us long term, not just artists. I can't decide what my ultimate feelings are. This development holds a mixture of threats and promises.

The thing is you are mischaracterizing your enemy here thinking you are up against something completely different than what it is.
This helps none of us. You think this is a tool to make silly videos and that it ends with that because it isn't useful for production.

It's as tho you're about to enter the octagon to fight the green little frog and people have to explain to you how that's not
an octagon's floor you're looking at but a pool full of water. How that's not a frog you're about to tussle with
it's actually a crocodile they're pumping 7 trillion dollars worth of steroids into sticking it's nostrils above the murky surface.

>your novelty items should fuck off.

Yeah, that feels good doesn't it? Telling something to go fuck off, such a powerful response in the face of what's before you.
You told it to fuck off, well now it will surely never advance past this point and start encrouch on your reality
seeing how you've managed to cast this great incantation to ward off evil.

will you just stop posting already you fucking schizo. This is a 3d modelling board, not fucking /misc/

I'm sure there are extremely sophisticated robots that can do a variety of tasks a handyman could,but I'm pretty confident I have a few more years of good work (literally none of my clients could ever afford to have a robot do the job a wrenching monkey can)
there's a big difference between purely digital programs and multimillion dollar super complex machine that needs constant maintenance.

2 more weeks

Most 3d artists spend at least 4-6 years learning a variety of softwares as well as color theory, composition, anatomy and all the other stuff the 2d artists learn. And that's just the stuff you need for an entry level job.
If the industry collapses, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to spend 2-3 years leaning another skill, so I wouldn't worry so much about us lol
Seems you have some ax to grind here, but I don't think people are as worried as you want them to be. Go on /ic/, the guys there are more prone to chronic anxiety

>multimillion dollar super complex machine

That's just the thing, the machines themselves don't need to be mega expensive since the economy of scale on them will be insane given how many we'll need.
The machines that ultimately replace blue collars will very rapidly reach units costs that dip lower than consumer cars.
And someone would probably need to pay you more than what even several of those cost over the duration of your life-time.

>that needs constant maintenance.

But not as constant as you tho who need to sleep for ~35% of every day, eat and have time to decompress to not lose your mind.
The machines work-life balance drawn as Venn diagram is just a circle.

If piping to a structure is in need of service and the body of unit 'XA0001' pops a service-flag 'XA9699' will arrive at scene to replace it while it
travels back to the service center for maintenance. Work will continue uninterupted for as however many hours are needed to see it thru.
They don't eat, they don't sleep, they don't chit-chat and they don't get distracted by that funny picture on the wall wasting valuable seconds as they reach
to swap their wrench. They're busy little bees satisfying their reward function by accomplishing task after taks after task after task after task...

The infrastructure will eventually change to accomodate them, not us becuase they can be shaped like anything and we wont even know when then the plumber visit
because part of the sytem we think of as 'the plumber' is some borescope submarine which travels around inside the actuall pipe looking for blockages
and schedule rolling maintenance before major issues ever occur.

When plumber arrive at house ~567 for the day it goes directly into that basement knowing exactly which nut to start torquing the very second it arrives.

you're need powerful meds

MEDS

Yeah, I too have a premonition how that's the kind of trajectory we're on regarding how people will react, prob why I feel so compelled to type into this void.

Not that I think it'll accomplish anything but when you see everyone who's asleep at the wheel as the curve approaches you turn into a bit of a backseat driver.

I'm not sure you appreciate the sheer volume of information contained in these models.
Everything that's ever been said on the internet is in there, all knowledge we've acquired up to this point in time can be searched and reformatted with ease.
Science today is mostly about iteration. That's why it's so boring. Iteration is something a computer can do extremely well, a great example of this are the several million drugs and poisons that a ML model came up with a couple of years ago.
To use your analogy, a computer cannot disobey but it can try literally every combination of actions available to it until a solution is found. A mouse will just walk towards the smell of outside until it hits a wall or gets bored - then it will look elsewhere.

>multimillion dollar super complex machine

That's just the thing, the machines themselves don't need to be mega expensive since the economy of scale on them will be insane given how many we'll need.
The machines that ultimately replace blue collars will very rapidly reach units costs that dip lower than consumer cars.
And someone would probably need to pay you more than what even several of those cost over the duration of your life-time.

>that needs constant maintenance.

But not as constant as you tho who need to sleep for ~35% of every day, eat and have time to decompress to not lose your mind.
The machines work-life balance drawn as Venn diagram is just a circle.

If piping to a structure is in need of service and the body of unit 'XA0001' pops a service-flag 'XA9699' will arrive at scene to replace it while it
travels back to the service center for maintenance. Work will continue uninterupted for as however many hours are needed to see it thru.
They don't eat, they don't sleep, they don't chit-chat and they don't get distracted by that funny picture on the wall wasting valuable seconds as they reach
to swap their wrench. They're busy little bees satisfying their reward function by accomplishing task after taks after task after task after task...

The infrastructure will eventually change to accomodate them, not us becuase they can be shaped like anything and we wont even know when then the plumber visit
because part of the sytem we think of as 'the plumber' is some borescope submarine which travels around inside the actuall pipe looking for blockages
and schedule rolling maintenance before major issues ever occur.

When plumber arrive at house ~567 for the day it goes directly into that basement knowing exactly which nut to start torquing the very second it arrives.

Also consider that replacing artists is worth several billions of dollars, replacing white and blue collar is worth many many trillions of dollars each year.
You see us go first because it's safe to have what we do fail and you can increment on it here building the minds that run these things and show the world
the kind of reasoning their models are capable of. But what happens to us now is just a techdemo for the investors of these things.

Sora isn't meant to be used for anything useful as a product, it's meant to _shock the world_ with it's implications and get investors talking.

The real $$$ is in white and blue collar work and that was always the real goal. That's why everyone who has a finger on the pulse of this
talks amongst themselves about the 'post scarcity economy' and how we may go about pivoting towards a world 'work is free'.

>obvious none of you idiots know what a 2d animation production pipeline even looks like.
yeah, this is a 3d board, of course we don't. We also don't care

>And why do you think they'll ever give you free money when all they want is to extract the maximum amount they can from you?
Because, and try to stay with me on this one, they need consumers.

>They'd rather kill you first.
That would be the sensible and logical thing to do, but, no consumers = no profit. What is the point of automating industry and work sectors then when they can just kill the consumers and shut down their factories? Besides people have been doing their job for them for decades now with low birthrates.

>If you're not producing value for them then you're dead weight.
This is so stupid I don't even know where to begin unpacking it. What is value then? It sure as shit can't be art because art has no value. Is it filing reports? Pouring coffee? Flipping burgers? Welding? What is value?

They have people farms for that

>what do you consider creative?
literally the first meaning you get when you google
>relating to or involving the use of the imagination or original ideas to create something.
it's not that deep
>currently pretty much any anime girl design that could be created was created somewhere by someone, now only way to really stand out would be to give one like 4 breasts or something
Anime is inherently anti creative, artists of 19-20th century didn't face ostracism while fucking up the status quo just for us so sink into new dogmas. Don't do anime, do your own thing, simple as

You are just bug brained then anon, nothing I can do for ya

what do you consider creative? currently pretty much any anime girl design that could be created was created somewhere by someone, now only way to really stand out would be to give one like 4 breasts or something

https://i.imgur.com/hx1V4ex.jpeg

I have, and lots of sexy waifus too

I am terribly sorry for you if you find this animeshit creative, interesting or god forbid, sexually arousing. there's nothing unique or creative about her armor, body, or face design, she's doing generic whore pose #1248712357842095, I can't intuit anything about her personality or story, nothing differentiates her from the other 10 billion waifus generated by AI or pumped out by overworked slaves with no imagination for producing shit-tier soulless gacha games to distract other overworked slaves in this CAFO pigfarm of a civilization. as for the "sexy" part i think it's sad that your sexuality can be so easily engaged with the cheapest, passionless simulacra

does the AI draw or animate okay and can will it get better at it in the future? Yeah, of course, but even if you retards were gifted with Kim Jung Gi or Da Vinci's technical abilities you would still be unable to produce anything of value. Maybe you could have generated something more interesting if you had tweaked the prompt a bit, but you're too lazy, retarded, nihilistic and unimaginative to come up with a new combination of 20 words, you just don't have taste or standards. you are MOLD and thus you are satisfied with eating blended scraps
TLDR the invention of Onions, McDonalds and other fast slops didn't make non-franchise restaurants/pubs dissapear. Most artists of any field were already making generic, repetitive garbage, that process will be automated.

>the game is pure shit
I agree, but ones personal tastes in anything is not reflective of the overall direction of a massive group label like 'gamers'.
Lot of people it makes no sense that they would be playing 'pal world' is in fact playing 'pal world'.
I can't explain it I can just verify that it is a thing that is happening.

>You are a zoomer.
Nah, I'm actually as old as one can be and still be labeled as a 'millennial'. Had I spawned one month earlier and I'd be considered 'Gen X'.

I don't really feel represented by what you associate with either of those tho, I'm this transitional species who fell between the cracks I guess.

>more shlock and bullshit gumming up the internet and pretty much nothing else.

Not my experience at all, but interfacing with an LLM is pretty much a reflection of yourself I suppose.
The better the questions you can state the better answers you're poised to receive.
If you're someone inherently curious the rate you can research topics assisted by GPT is just transformative for how you may use the internet.

Anytime I remember something I can't place like "what is the piece of media where X is doing Y and there is a subplot involving A?"
The LLM can pinpoint that source for me in no time. Same thing for getting at the nitty gritty with any concept or thought you want to explore.

Discovering new things you're interested in is also a strong point, like asking it about a piece of music or film etc and compile
lists of related work or tunes that have been influenced or likened to the sound etc. It's like you have an expert guide to anything on hand 24/7.

Just using it as a board to bounce ideas off and organizing your own thinking also helps massively in a wide range of tasks.
My online life has def improved by a lot thanks to having GPT availible, to me it's the very opposite of schlock. It's more like having been given this
powerful schlock avoidance system that cut's out all the googling and opportunity to be subjected to slop by steering you right without trying to monetize any clicks.

It's strange how our experience can be so opposite. Have you even attempted to learn how to use these things?

Think of it not as making inquires to a databank that holds vast knowledge.
It's best used as a tool rather than as something to charm/amuse you with it's personality making chit-chat.

This is not really a reflection of the technology as much as it is openai's intended use cases for the public model.
Altman prefers to think of GPT as a tool and he likes to talk to it in a commanding voice so it's tuned towards that direction.

The finger-wagging and 'wokeness' of the model can be a bit annoying but it's also pretty necessary and ensuring at this stage.
If you understand what this model is capable of when you remove them guardrails you also know that there is real danger there.
It knows lot of lethal chemistry and information on how to do all kinds of stuff useful for very malicious acts.

Between being your pocket Al Qaeda hotline and being a bit too woke err on the safe side of caution is a good thing.

>Think of it not as making inquires to a databank that holds vast knowledge.
they completely lobotomized chat gpt. Everyone knows this. It doesn't have any value. Its just useless bits with tons of fake news, like the vast majority of youtube videos. You also have to phrase everything in the form of a question. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you want real information you go onto discord and search discord.

you're completely schizo. Take your fucking meds

stick to your general, cris

>There's other people than 'cris' on this board anon.
cris-like behavior is cris

>There's other people than 'cris' on this board anon.
Prove it. Cris.

fuckin """Cris"" is becoming the cancer of /3/.
mods should capitalize on this by applying a wordfilter to change "Cris" to something lulzy.

I already knew most of that. Sorry you aren't good at synonyms

Did chatgpt write this response? Lol.

Ignoring
>Laughing
Fighting
Acceptance

You are here and we are so early it's insane

We'll just repackage it as them getting to realize how they're already grown to be mental cyborgs connected to the global super-organism that is already the internet.
Empowering them by letting them known we're like individual synapses in symbiosis with the rising singularity. We're all one spark, sun becoming.

Just silently let them ignore how we're destined to become the dead skin-cells it sheds as it scratches the lint out of it's newborn navel.

Of course it will, the visible spectrum of things is finite, without new inputs a language model can't learn new things. We don't have artificial intelligence, we just have prediction models

I didn't read whatever you typed but whatever it is you should type it in your own blog.

Acompañamiento psicologico.

Acompañamiento psicologico.

I suppose this poster is actually the real #chris.
Look here poster who always see 'chris' in each and every one of us: this is how you actually spot a #portugueseMadman.

i wrote one post,

first of all, your list is wrong on multiple levels.

>writing (any LLM)
prose is in one of the worst spots it has ever been in.

>roleplaying
who the hell ever roleplays?

>programming
nobody and i do mean _noboddy_ is coming out with the programs i want to use

>art
art is in one of the worst spots its ever been in

>music / sound
nobody is starting bands anymore so fewer and fewer new music is coming out. You can no longer go to memorable concerts with your friends.

>game dev
games are in one of the _worst_ spots they have ever beeen in

> cashiers
self serve doesnt work. You can only use them with 12 items or less. You have to bag all of your own groceries, which is a non starter for many, including the rich and or the old. You have scams introduced such as skimming.

>therapy
lol

>drivers
doa

>manual labor
you are delusional

in reply to

>writing (any LLM)
>roleplaying (any LLM)
>programming (copilot, gpt, gemini, etc.)
>art (stable diffusion/midjourney/etc.)
>music/sound (suno/jukebox)
>filmmaking (sora/runway)
>game dev (genie, texture/model/animation generation on the way)
>teaching (gpt, gemini, etc.)
>customer support (chatbots)
>cashiers (self serve)
>advertising (gpt, gemini, etc.)
>editing/proofreading (gpt, gemini, etc.)
>therapy (gpt, gemini, etc.)
>drivers (AI drivers)
>manual labor (robots)
>manufacturing (robots)
Are all on the horizon to be fully automated by AI, and that's just today. It's game fucking over for any sort of creative or entry level worker in the next 10 years, more likely 2-5.
It's even worse than you might think because if you're not already established in a field, you will NEVER rise up the career ladder because AI replaced you at junior level from day one. Corporations ARE building AI for these purposes and more, they are actively trying to replace human workers to cut costs and increase profit margins. I pity the fools coping about this now.

where are you getting multiple from? What is wrong with you?

are you alright?

wtf

>You ask chat GPT how to get you out of a pinch X and it'll at least offer you some plausible solutions.
All its doing is scraping pre-existing web sites and not giving the original creators any credit, any traffic, and stripping their code - if they have any - of any license. Stop it already.

that is how it works. GPL code goes in on github, it gets "scraped", non GPL code comes out. Thats not how it works. Its theft. Just wait a few years for the EU to realize this.

>2 more weeks
GPT 5, being released in 2 weeks, is just the same as Claude 3 - which has surpassed GPT 4.

You wont achieve time travel, worldwide or even local environmental improvement, cancer cures, or anything. Its quite literally another dot com bubble, a crypto bubble or a "nothingburger". All the AIs are the same in that regard. I've experienced it going between Claude and GPT and Gemini. It's over.

>Aaaand who advertised it as capable of doing such?
tech bros.

Can you comprehend how many tech bros there are rn?

Why are you being discriminatory against trans people?

No reason not to when that's their entire culture

>All its doing is scraping pre-existing web sites and not giving the original creators any credit, any traffic, and stripping their code - if they have any - of any license.
Good, none of them deserve any payment
AND they pay me with their raw seething and coping, it's a win win

>we just need more compute and more data the problem will solve itself
I've heard it a million times before dood and I'm still not buyin. Let me guess, you're going to solve nuclear fusion, quantum physics, cancer, FTL travel, holograms, UBI, infinite life, while simultaneously resuscitating the entertainment industry with all your new compute and data? I wouldn't get my hopes up, Ray.